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digital



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 3:52 pm    Post subject: Stereophile Reply with quote

Go on, take a visit, start a cable debate Smile

http://forum.stereophile.com/forum/ubbthreads.php
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 5:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Stereophile Reply with quote

digital wrote:
Go on, take a visit, start a cable debate Smile

http://forum.stereophile.com/forum/ubbthreads.php



Here is my shot, how long will this last ????

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Re: Cable Myths and Headaches [Re: 301]
#11695 - 08/24/06 08:11 PM (68.145.124.94)
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Some of my friends and I believe that the entire "cable industry" is a scam and that many audio forums are inhabited by shills for the audio industry. Does anyone else share this belief ?

Uncle Louballoo

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is some more before I get banned.

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Re: Cable Myths and Headaches [Re: louballoo]
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No certainly you must know a $5,000 speaker wire HAS to sound better than just plain old 12ga....come on......How can 12ga 100 ft/$35. Sound any good? It doesn't even have the correct labeling on it, no arrows to indicate the direction of audio electrons....

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#11703 - 08/24/06 09:26 PM (68.145.124.94)
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No certainly you must know a $5,000 speaker wire HAS to sound better than just plain old 12ga....come on......How can 12ga 100 ft/$35. Sound any good? It doesn't even have the correct labeling on it, no arrows to indicate the direction of audio electrons....



Hey DUP you almost had me , well ... DUP'd.

Not to long ago a bunch of us "audio skeptics" up in Canada were thrown out of an audio forum for refusing to be "Stereophile Compliant". So we started our own forum. Please visit. www.cdnav.com. We recieve no funding what so ever and are completely independant !

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 7:36 pm    Post subject: LLou Reply with quote

You are a brave man, sticking your head into the fire like that... I suspect that your missives will draw the ire of the golden ear gods!

Andrew D.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We'll see how this new topic goes

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Dear Readers, as a life long audiophile and music lover that cares for this great hobby it is time for me to speak up.

Reading through the great cable debate on this forum and others I have found time and time again well spoken contributers that continue to post psuedo scientific cable nonsense to promote the value severily over priced interconnects and speaker wires.

Maxwells equations and skin effect are two examples real scientific principles that are often quoted to explain non existant short comings of realistically priced cables. This is nonsense. These principles have no effect in the audio band. It is just BS.

In fact almost all cable dealers know that the whole cable myth is just a scam. In many cases as you walk out of the door of the audio shop a few hundred dollars and a bag of mediocre but high priced cables in your hand - YOU are being laughed at by the dealers. You have just become another mark.

For many of todays audio dealers dumb customers are good customers, yuk, yuk yuk.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is the link to my posting:

http://forum.stereophile.com/forum/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=12046&an=0&page=0#Post12046
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 6:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I actually got a reply from the Editor JA at Stereophile.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Lou

Just read your posts and the response by J.A. OMG how can that guy spew such a load of crap,and edit a national mag.Man both his articles make no sence,he and his cohorts are obviously making up their own science,or maybe they live in a parallel universe where the physical laws and property's are different than ours!!
But the most astonishing thing is the sheer numbers of believers and defenders that these audio sharletans have WTF is wrong with the people involved in this hobby.
When I read a pile of crap like that , by a man that is supposed to be a proffesional I am embarrased to call myself an audiophile,from now on I will call myself a "Christian Science Moniter" those guys have more credibility!!!!! I wonder if Atkinson,and LR Hubbard are related somehow???
I have always found cables are like religion,beliefs fly in the face of logic and known physical property's with a simple defence called "Faith".The final answer from the believer, when all arguments are exhausted will always be "I believe", or "I hear a difference".
No one will ever change the weak minds of those believers.They need to believe,they want to believe,they have to believe!!!!If they discover the truth all will end and they will be lost,Ipods and Bose will all that will be left for them.Pity the poor fools,but let them have their delusion or they will forever be lost in the real world,something they can never hope to comprehend!
Cable beleivers are like "Peter Pan" ,can't exist outside "Never-Never Land".

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Mike
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Mike ! I see the nasties are starting to make an appearance at Stereophile.

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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DUP has been BANNED from Stereophile, AudioCircle, and a few others, non believers are not allowed in the church of the magic wire. Plugs, wall outlets magic blocks, magic insulation, if you can't "hear" the improvemetns, you are BANNED. Demagnetized any plastic lately, MF at the other place says it's instandtly audible, I'ved tried to hear the difference, in a file made from de and un de from JA neither me nor a few others heard it, how does u demagnetize PLASTIC, not on my planet only on Planet MF of Bizzaro aliens. OBEY and BELIEVE. And spend $2,000 on a plastic demag from Furufleece, ...it's a world filled with utter nonsense. What direction does your cable point?
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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DUP wrote:
DUP has been BANNED from Stereophile, AudioCircle, and a few others, non believers are not allowed in the church of the magic wire. Plugs, wall outlets magic blocks, magic insulation, if you can't "hear" the improvemetns, you are BANNED. ...


I followed your posts on Stereophile. Highly entertaining, and they need you there more than ever: just read the latest posts of the "experts" like May, Vigne, KBK.

The site where you would be welcome is AV Science. There are 3 lively forums on audio and posts on magic audio are jumped on regularly. But like most of the big sites, personal insults are not tolerated for long. The insults are usually hurled by the audio magicians!
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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 9:21 pm    Post subject: Its Magic! Reply with quote

Hi Dup - I used to see your fruitless battles over there as well - I gave up on those nut-jobs long ago...

I've drifted away from the whole scene because it scared the fucking shit out of me to think that so many utterly, impossibly gullible humans inhabited the planet with me...

Scary shit.

Andrew D.
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PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2009 3:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smile Yes it is BIZZARO WORLD, the claims of what some nudnicks claim to hear, and what they claim that makes things change. One audio nut listens to a 5" speaker driven by a highly distorted colored obsolete tube amp over 40 years old, and is claiming to hear things that are beyond comphrehension on a planet that merely has human hearing. And to claim a 5" inch single driver speaker "system" has advantages over a multi driver system capable of full slam and impact of a live performance is inferior. His hearing is so superior that the rules of physics about moving air doesn't apply in his circus world. Then he says MONO 78's sound better than some CD's or similar modern recordings!!!!! How does anyone from EARTH communicate or have a discussion about audio with that kind of thougth process. Well they BAN the mere human, and keep the aliens, and he still continues to post some really absurd thoughts. KBK is on the neighboring planet to his BIZZARO world, and several others. I actually met JA in person he listened to my stuff and included it in a review of the Legacy WHISPERS...he really is not in bizzaro world, but it seems teh magazine is a shill selling machine for some world that caters to utter crap and nonsense. $20,000 amplifiers that dont's even meet mfg claims. Yet it sounds the best this month. MF's complete world of audio baffonery, how he demags friggin PLASTIC and everyone hears it, and of course, it's always an improvement. Yet the files I listened to, and so did Alex and Ethan ain't hearing nutin different, so we just have inferior hearing is the excuse. It's very entertaining, but frustrating when utter nonsense is allowed, and slaming RETARDS is disallowed, the nudnicks rule. Twisted Evil Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2009 3:54 am    Post subject: "pro audio just doesn't cut it Reply with quote

KBK has again proven, he's clearly deluded. High end is where it really matters. But since the source material is made with pro equipment, why is high end better, since pro audio doesn't cut it, but actually it really did "cut it" Welsh is right on, KBK is truly Moe or maybe Curly. It has been proven pro aduio does better and more for less, priced for mortals, and meets specs. We had an AB test that a 1/3 less priced pair of superior pro based amps, rebuilt by a superior desinger mfg, with modern ckts (AVA) smoked a pair of McIntosh "high end" room jewelery blue metered units, so much better for less, teh Mc's where sold right away and audio bliss is happening for much less and he put money back into the bank. Same thing happened with his speakers!!! Legacy Whiuspers kicked Focal ass, for much less, better sound though better design, not higher prices. High end belivers are truly hypnotized by ads in mags like Stereophile etc. When ya read pro mags like pro audio review pro sound news. And LIVE Sound mags, ya really learn what it's about. And sound is not about living room jewelery. A $200 amp ckt in a $20,000 box is not audio perfection, it's room decors, better written about in Better Homes and Gardens, not audio books." I most seriously doubt that more than a few readers (I'm talking about counting on my toes and fingers out of 100's of thousands of readers) of Stereophile or any other audio magazine, for that matter, would even remotely agree with you." Words of a deluded audio phool.


"More to the exact 'should be and -is- self evident' point, 100's of thousands of people are buying and reading audio magazines specifically because they disagree with your position. They have learned the hard way (we have all tried pro audio gear in our systems) that pro audio simply does not cut it-at all. Not in the least. Not even remotely 'true to the original signal'. Pro audio and industrial audio is designed for a different base purpose." Land of teh Lost KBK, pro audio is not true to the original, huh? Highy colored high end units are? The pro stuff made the originals, Jan V. and KBK are really funny, to read how a mind in shambles tries to think...great stuff. Now let's get some better sounding Black CD's going.......

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